Comments on: FLOPS, MIPS, Watts and the Human Brain http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/ 100% Natural Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:51:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: PeterFlop http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/comment-page-1/#comment-1302 PeterFlop Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:05:19 +0000 http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/#comment-1302 Look up Raymond Kurzweil if you are interested in this stuff. We are not too far off. Look up Raymond Kurzweil if you are interested in this stuff. We are not too far off.

]]> By: tonedef http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/comment-page-1/#comment-1303 tonedef Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:57:43 +0000 http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/#comment-1303 Still, the entire genetic code for a human being is only 3GB. Your DNA would easily fit on some $30 Flash cards. Part of the equation is not how fast the computer is, but how efficiently it's coded. Additionally, there is no reason why a computer needs to exactly mimic a brain to give rise to intelligence. Plus, a lot of the sensory I/O humans have isn't even necessary to include. If a machine is smart enough to improve upon itself, it can guide it's own evolution faster than we could design it in. And that's exactly what some AI professionals are trying to do. All it takes is one breakthrough, and that could feasibly happen at anytime now. Still, the entire genetic code for a human being is only 3GB. Your DNA would easily fit on some $30 Flash cards.

Part of the equation is not how fast the computer is, but how efficiently it’s coded. Additionally, there is no reason why a computer needs to exactly mimic a brain to give rise to intelligence. Plus, a lot of the sensory I/O humans have isn’t even necessary to include.

If a machine is smart enough to improve upon itself, it can guide it’s own evolution faster than we could design it in. And that’s exactly what some AI professionals are trying to do. All it takes is one breakthrough, and that could feasibly happen at anytime now.

]]> By: Eric Scudder http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/comment-page-1/#comment-1301 Eric Scudder Thu, 26 Jun 2008 20:31:46 +0000 http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/#comment-1301 I think its important to keep in mind several things when it comes to the area of synthetic intelligence. Firstly, while a useful tool, the Turing test is just that a bench mark. I'd wager depending on the test's judge, you'd have a hard time getting some 'humans' to pass. Secondly, the criterion we utilize for both computers and human intelligence are vastly different. We expect that computers will indeed be capable of 'perfect' recall, we as a species generally aren't. The search for an truely artifical intelligence won't be based only on the ability to mimic the computational 'power' of the human mind, but to mimic its developmental process as well. That in and of itself will be quite a challenge as that wide array of sensory input that forms the basis of our cognative framework is largely missing from computation. Given 10 years, and the ability to create moderately specialized but interlaced multiple cpu systems, and the ability to 'feed' those systems sensory information, we'll find that we will be capable of growing up a truely artificial intelligence. Sadly, I think that will happen before we decide what our ethical and moral responsibilities to such an intelligence should/can/would be. I think its important to keep in mind several things when it comes to the area of synthetic intelligence. Firstly, while a useful tool, the Turing test is just that a bench mark. I’d wager depending on the test’s judge, you’d have a hard time getting some ‘humans’ to pass. Secondly, the criterion we utilize for both computers and human intelligence are vastly different. We expect that computers will indeed be capable of ‘perfect’ recall, we as a species generally aren’t. The search for an truely artifical intelligence won’t be based only on the ability to mimic the computational ‘power’ of the human mind, but to mimic its developmental process as well. That in and of itself will be quite a challenge as that wide array of sensory input that forms the basis of our cognative framework is largely missing from computation.

Given 10 years, and the ability to create moderately specialized but interlaced multiple cpu systems, and the ability to ‘feed’ those systems sensory information, we’ll find that we will be capable of growing up a truely artificial intelligence. Sadly,
I think that will happen before we decide what our ethical and moral responsibilities to such an intelligence should/can/would be.

]]> By: The rapture is coming, look busy » Doctor Recommended http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/comment-page-1/#comment-1299 The rapture is coming, look busy » Doctor Recommended Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:08:17 +0000 http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/#comment-1299 [...] and the Future of Chip Integration The Revolution Will Be Televised, Via IPTV And Micromachines FLOPS, MIPS, Watts and the Human Brain 10 years from now, where will they be? Can the Future Do Without Economic Logic? Seth Lloyd’s [...] [...] and the Future of Chip Integration The Revolution Will Be Televised, Via IPTV And Micromachines FLOPS, MIPS, Watts and the Human Brain 10 years from now, where will they be? Can the Future Do Without Economic Logic? Seth Lloyd’s [...]

]]> By: Valery http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/comment-page-1/#comment-1300 Valery Tue, 22 Apr 2008 20:00:22 +0000 http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/#comment-1300 great review. any updates as for 2008? great review. any updates as for 2008?

]]> By: What is wrong with Moore’s Law? » Doctor Recommended http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/comment-page-1/#comment-1297 What is wrong with Moore’s Law? » Doctor Recommended Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:00:18 +0000 http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/#comment-1297 [...] also: FLOPS, MIPS, Watts and the Human Brain Seth Lloyd’s Million Megahertz CPU Specialization, Centralization, and the Future of Chip [...] [...] also: FLOPS, MIPS, Watts and the Human Brain Seth Lloyd’s Million Megahertz CPU Specialization, Centralization, and the Future of Chip [...]

]]> By: Jack http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/comment-page-1/#comment-1298 Jack Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:12:54 +0000 http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/#comment-1298 Andy, I beg to differ, in a sense at least. While some estimates may be correct, placing the capacity of the human mind in the vicinity of 100 petaFLOPS, think of all the things you mentioned that a computer needn't be 'fettered' with: typing... keeping track of the position of fingers... knowing it probably spelled that name wrong... rocking slowly in a chair... breathing... beating a heart... various other bodily processes... processing that I would prefer to be slightly cooler, (okay, well, what computer wouldn't want that, ;o) My point is that, at least in order to pass the Turing test, such a supercomputer would only need to focus on logic, virtual emotion, natural language, and perhaps visual recognition. No mean feats, to be sure, but a comparatively small part of the entire human condition. I believe that once the Turing test is passed, the singularity will follow shortly thereafter. I also believe the Turing test will be passed in less than ten years. Andy, I beg to differ, in a sense at least. While some estimates may be correct, placing the capacity of the human mind in the vicinity of 100 petaFLOPS, think of all the things you mentioned that a computer needn’t be ‘fettered’ with:

typing…
keeping track of the position of fingers…
knowing it probably spelled that name wrong…
rocking slowly in a chair…
breathing…
beating a heart…
various other bodily processes…
processing that I would prefer to be slightly cooler,
(okay, well, what computer wouldn’t want that, ;o)

My point is that, at least in order to pass the Turing test, such a supercomputer would only need to focus on logic, virtual emotion, natural language, and perhaps visual recognition. No mean feats, to be sure, but a comparatively small part of the entire human condition.

I believe that once the Turing test is passed, the singularity will follow shortly thereafter. I also believe the Turing test will be passed in less than ten years.

]]> By: rat http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/comment-page-1/#comment-1296 rat Fri, 04 May 2007 20:42:11 +0000 http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/#comment-1296 Why they cant deside how much flops has human brain. 100 TFLOPS or 100 PFLOPS? Why they cant deside how much flops has human brain. 100 TFLOPS or 100 PFLOPS?

]]> By: MAX http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/comment-page-1/#comment-1293 MAX Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:52:21 +0000 http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/#comment-1293 This was a SWEET article. It feels great to know what an asset the brain is. It is also dual core. And in mammals, it could be said that the brain is optimised for 64 bit code. You have your left and your right lobes, having millions of sensory cells is like running a billion programs simultaneously. The brain being "dual core" has to do with being able to hear in 3d (from two different directions), to escape from predaters, and hunt for food. This was a SWEET article.
It feels great to know what an asset the brain is.
It is also dual core. And in mammals, it could be said that the brain is optimised for 64 bit code.

You have your left and your right lobes, having millions of sensory cells is like running a billion programs simultaneously.

The brain being “dual core” has to do with being able to hear in 3d (from two different directions), to escape from predaters, and hunt for food.

]]> By: didi_d http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/comment-page-1/#comment-1295 didi_d Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:30:00 +0000 http://movementarian.com/2006/08/18/flops-mips-watts-and-the-human-brain/#comment-1295 While considering the full computational requirement for human emulation is an interesting excercise, it should be considered just that. The emulation of a human will not be a sinlge processor but a chained set of processors with specialized tasks, sharing a common memory and additional memory for specialized purposes. the trick we havent figured out is which specialized tasks and how is the memory shared. Recent announcements of new computers from ibm, intel and others indicate that these specialized capacities may in fact already be available or will very shortly be. While considering the full computational requirement for human emulation is an interesting excercise, it should be considered just that. The emulation of a human will not be a sinlge processor but a chained set of processors with specialized tasks, sharing a common memory and additional memory for specialized purposes. the trick we havent figured out is which specialized tasks and how is the memory shared. Recent announcements of new computers from ibm, intel and others indicate that these specialized capacities may in fact already be available or will very shortly be.

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